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MOVIE URBAN LEGEND: Marvel does not own the rights to make an “Incredible Hulk” film.
During Marvel’s announcements last year about their third phase of films, there was some surprise among fans over the lack of a solo “Incredible Hulk” film. This led some to wonder whether Marvel even had the rights to do a Hulk film.
In fact, that’s specifically what reader Paul D. wrote to me a while back asking about. Paul wrote about a quote he saw from Mark Ruffalo where the Hulk actor said:
As far as a Hulk movie, a standalone Hulk movie, Marvel doesn’t really have the rights to that yet. That’s still Universal’s property, so there’s that issue.
This led Paul to note, “So, to me, it now sounds like we were all wrong that Marvel made some deal for a standalone move and some other appearances (sounds a lot like the Spider-Man deal) but Marvel never gained the rights back.” Paul is referring, of course, to the recent deal between Marvel and Sony where they will co-produce a Spider-Man film together and Spider-Man will make at least one appearance in a Marvel Studios film, while Sony will continue to own the movie rights to Spider-Man.
The truth is a bit more complicated than that.
The situation comes down to the different rights that movie studios have for films. There are the “film production” rights and there are “film distribution” rights.
Film production rights are the most important ones, as they’re the ones that dictate whether you can actually, you know, produce a film with an intellectual property. Marvel Studios currently has the film production rights to Captain America, Thor, Iron Man and the Guardians of the Galaxy, while Sony owns the film production rights to Spider-Man and Fox owns the film production rights to the X-Men and the Fantastic Four. Marvel owns the film production rights to the Hulk, which is why they’re able to use him in the Avengers.
Film distribution rights, however, are a whole other thing that is still quite important. Distribution rights are the right to actually put the film into theaters. They make the film prints of the film, they make the deals with the theaters and they make the final call on the release date of the film and how the film is relased (video on demand, etc.). Not a lot of people out there can actually distribute a film. It is a very expensive undertaking, so pretty much only the major film studios can afford to do it. Marvel Studios, when they first started in the business of producing their own films, could not afford to do it. Therefore, they worked out a deal with Paramount Studios to distribute their Marvel Studios films such as “Iron Man,” “Iron Man 2” and “Captain America: The First Avenger.” The distributor gets a percentage of the film’s box office (plus expenses typically) in exchange for distributing the movie. Universal Pictures, however, has a different deal. They initially had the film production rights on the Hulk, as they produced the 2003 “Hulk” film. The film production rights eventually reverted to Marvel, who produced 2008’s “Incredible Hulk.” Universal, though, continued to distribute the film under a deal where Universal would get the first chance to distribute any future Hulk movies.
This was all well and good, Marvel Studios was making money, the film distributors were making money, everyone was making money. However, in 2009, Marvel was purchased by Walt Disney. Disney is a big enough company where they don’t need to farm out distribution of their films. They can do it themselves. So they set out to get back the distribution rights for Marvel Studios films. Marvel Studios had a deal with Paramount for six films. Only “Iron Man 3” and “Avengers” were left. So Disney acquired the distribution rights to those two films from Paramount in 2012. The next year, Disney even went back and bought back the distribution rights to the first four films that Paramount had distributed (“Iron Man,” “Iron Man 2,” “Thor” and “Captain America: The First Avenger”).
The problem was that Paramount’s contract was limited to just six films. Universal, however, had a much more open-ended deal established when they allowed the film production rights to revert to Marvel. I don’t know the exact terms, of course, but similar to the deals Marvel made with Sony and Fox, it seems like the deal is, in effect, a perpetual one. Disney tried to get the distribution rights from Universal, but Universal is uninterested in selling. They plan on using their rights to distribute any future Hulk movie. Disney is not interested in another studio distributing their property, so we remain at an impasse. The Hulk can continue to appear in other Marvel films, but Disney, for now, at least, seem like they are not willing to put out a new “Hulk” movie under this current arrangement.
Things can change, of course. Time will tell on that front.
But as to the legend, it is a tricky one, as it is true that Marvel doesn’t FULLY own the rights to the Hulk, but it is not true that they don’t own the rights to the character in general, and they do own the most important right (the film production right), so I am going with this legend as…
Thanks to Paul for the suggestion!
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