{"id":7623,"date":"2016-05-19T05:00:53","date_gmt":"2016-05-19T13:00:53","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/legendsrevealed.com\/entertainment\/?p=7623"},"modified":"2016-05-20T06:01:08","modified_gmt":"2016-05-20T14:01:08","slug":"was-vicki-vale-going-to-die-originally-at-the-end-of-tim-burton-batman","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/legendsrevealed.com\/entertainment\/2016\/05\/19\/was-vicki-vale-going-to-die-originally-at-the-end-of-tim-burton-batman\/","title":{"rendered":"Was Vicki Vale Going to Die Originally at the End of Tim Burton&#8217; Batman?"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Here is the latest in a series of examinations into urban legends about movies and whether they are true or false. Click <a href=\"http:\/\/legendsrevealed.com\/entertainment\/2009\/04\/19\/movie-legends-revealed-history\/\">here<\/a> to view an archive of the Movie urban legends featured so far.<\/p>\n<p><u><span style=\"font-weight: bold\">MOVIE URBAN LEGEND<\/span><\/u>: Vicki Vale was originally going to die at the end of the 1989 <i>Batman<\/i>.<\/p>\n<p>One of the most difficult decisions that a filmmaker can make is whether or not to kill off major characters in their films. Quite often, characters who were originally meant to die have their lives &#8220;saved&#8221; later in the film-making process. We&#8217;ve spotlighted a few of them over the years, like <a href=\"http:\/\/legendsrevealed.com\/entertainment\/2015\/10\/02\/was-robin-williams-character-in-dead-poets-society-originally-going-to-die-at-the-end-of-the-film\/\">Robin Williams&#8217; character in <i>Dead Poet&#8217;s Society<\/i><\/a>, <a href=\"http:\/\/legendsrevealed.com\/entertainment\/2013\/05\/08\/how-did-optimus-prime-save-the-live-of-duke-from-g-i-joe\/\">Duke in <i>G.I. Joe the Movie<\/i><\/a> and even <a href=\"http:\/\/legendsrevealed.com\/entertainment\/2013\/11\/06\/did-concerns-over-toy-sales-keep-han-solo-from-being-killed-off-in-return-of-the-jedi\/\">Han Solo in <i>Return of the Jedi<\/i><\/a>. Was Vicki Vale, Batman&#8217;s love interest in Tim Burton&#8217;s 1989 blockbuster film, <i>Batman<\/i> (played by Kim Basinger), another example of this trend?<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/legendsrevealed.com\/entertainment\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/05\/batmanvicki.jpg\"><img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" src=\"http:\/\/legendsrevealed.com\/entertainment\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/05\/batmanvicki-375x188.jpg\" alt=\"batmanvicki\" width=\"375\" height=\"188\" class=\"alignnone size-medium wp-image-7936\" srcset=\"https:\/\/legendsrevealed.com\/entertainment\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/05\/batmanvicki-375x188.jpg 375w, https:\/\/legendsrevealed.com\/entertainment\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/05\/batmanvicki-515x258.jpg 515w, https:\/\/legendsrevealed.com\/entertainment\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/05\/batmanvicki.jpg 660w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 375px) 100vw, 375px\" \/><\/a><iframe style=\"width:120px;height:240px;\" marginwidth=\"0\" marginheight=\"0\" scrolling=\"no\" frameborder=\"0\" src=\"\/\/ws-na.amazon-adsystem.com\/widgets\/q?ServiceVersion=20070822&#038;OneJS=1&#038;Operation=GetAdHtml&#038;MarketPlace=US&#038;source=ac&#038;ref=qf_sp_asin_til&#038;ad_type=product_link&#038;tracking_id=legenrevea-20&#038;marketplace=amazon&#038;region=US&#038;placement=B002XED5TY&#038;asins=B002XED5TY&#038;linkId=OOS5AQPEMBKKZD7I&#038;show_border=true&#038;link_opens_in_new_window=true\"><\/iframe><\/p>\n<p> Was she originally going to be killed off in the film? <\/p>\n<p>Read on to find out!<br \/>\n<!--more--><br \/>\nIn the simplest of forms, the answer is no, since in Sam Hamm&#8217;s original draft of the script for <i>Batman<\/i>, Vicki survives the film. At the end of the film, it is Vicki&#8217;s co-worker, Alexander Knox (Robert Wuhl), who dies at the end at the hands of the Joker (Jack Nicholson). <\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/legendsrevealed.com\/entertainment\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/05\/vickijoker.jpg\"><img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" src=\"http:\/\/legendsrevealed.com\/entertainment\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/05\/vickijoker-515x290.jpg\" alt=\"vickijoker\" width=\"515\" height=\"290\" class=\"alignnone size-large wp-image-7937\" srcset=\"https:\/\/legendsrevealed.com\/entertainment\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/05\/vickijoker-515x290.jpg 515w, https:\/\/legendsrevealed.com\/entertainment\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/05\/vickijoker-375x211.jpg 375w, https:\/\/legendsrevealed.com\/entertainment\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/05\/vickijoker.jpg 960w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 515px) 100vw, 515px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>Batman (Michael Keaton) is badly injured stopping the Joker and the film ends with Vicki helping him to rehabilitate his injuries. Here&#8217;s the scene from the script:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>              VICKI<br \/>\n               I don&#8217;t know why I&#8217;m doing this. I<br \/>\n               half wish you&#8217;d stay a cripple.<\/p>\n<p>                              BRUCE<br \/>\n               Ohhhh&#8230; you don&#8217;t mean that.<\/p>\n<p>                              VICKI<br \/>\n                     (grasping for words)<br \/>\n               I don&#8217;t, but&#8230; I do. It&#8217;s just&#8230; I<br \/>\n               love you, Bruce. I &#8212;<\/p>\n<p>                              BRUCE<br \/>\n                     (taking her hand)<br \/>\n               Vicki. Do you love half of me? Or<br \/>\n               all of me?<\/p>\n<p>     A hard question for VICKI to answer. She thinks it over for<br \/>\n     several beats, then SMILES&#8230; SLOWLY, SADLY.<\/p>\n<p>                              VICKI<br \/>\n               I guess you did it, didn&#8217;t you. You<br \/>\n               saved everyone.<br \/>\n                     (pause)<br \/>\n               Almost.<\/p>\n<p>     For a moment he stares deeply into her eyes. Then he pulls<br \/>\n     her over, takes her in a tight embrace.<\/p>\n<p>                              BRUCE<br \/>\n               I don&#8217;t know how to explain this so<br \/>\n               it makes sense&#8230; but you saved<br \/>\n               me.\n<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>In addition, none of the other publicly available revisions to Hamm&#8217;s script involve Vale dying at the end of the movie. So the answer is a pretty clear no. Except it is worth noting that the film went through many revisions and some notable scenes were basically improvised as producer Jon Peters an director Tim Burton clashed over how to end the film, so I think it is very likely that at one point, they WERE planning on killing Vale off.<\/p>\n<p>In his excellent book, <i>Blockbuster: How Hollywood Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Summer<\/i>, Tom Shone wrote about the massive confusion surrounding the finale of the first <em>Batman<\/em> film&#8230;<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>Things finally came to a head at the climax of the movie, in which Vicki Vale (Kim Basinger) was to have been killed by the Joker, sending Batman into a vengeful fury. Peters decided that audiences wouldn&#8217;t accept Batman beating up a 50-year-old man, and so without telling Burton, he reworked it: the Joker would take Vale captive, and drag her up to the top of Gotham cathedral&#8217;s bell tower.<\/p>\n<p>It would require an additional 38-foot model of the cathedral \u2013 costing $100,000, when they were already well over budget. Burton hated the idea, having no clue how the scene would end: &#8220;Here were Jack Nicholson and Kim Basinger walking up this cathedral, and halfway up Jack turns around and says, &#8216;Why am I walking up all these stairs? Where am I going?&#8221;&#8216; &#8220;We&#8217;ll talk about it when you get to the top!&#8221; Burton called back.<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;I had to tell him that I didn&#8217;t know,&#8221; Burton recalled. &#8220;The most frightening experience of my life. I knew they had to go up to the bell tower and they better do something up there. That was always a given. But what? Help me! Help me! It was one of those nightmares where you&#8217;re feeling big and small at the same time. Here you&#8217;ve got this big production with all these people waiting around and you&#8217;re supposed to be shooting this sequence that suddenly goes wrong. I thought, &#8216;My God, why didn&#8217;t I see it to begin with? How did I let this happen?<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Shone goes on to tell an amusing story about how frustrated Nicholson eventually got with the shoot, especially when he felt that Peters had reneged on a deal to foot the bill of special leather jackets for the crew. Go read his book!<\/p>\n<p>In <strong>their<\/strong> book on Jon Peters (and Peters&#8217; longtime production partner, Peter Guber), <i>Hit and Run<\/i>, Nancy Griffin and Kim Masters also wrote that Peters changed the ending of the film to keep Vale alive, as Peters presumed that audiences would be horrified at her dying (also, since the film suggests that the Joker killed Batman&#8217;s parents, did Batman really need <strong>extra<\/strong> motivation to hate the Joker?). So I tend to believe that yes, at one point, Vicki Vale was going to die in the film. However, I think things were in such flux that I doubt it was ever even firmly established in Burton&#8217;s mind that she was going to be killed off. <\/p>\n<p>In either event, the legend is&#8230;<\/p>\n<p><u><span style=\"font-weight: bold\">STATUS<\/span><\/u>: False (with some truth mixed in there)<\/p>\n<p>Thanks to Tom Shone, Nancy Griffin and Kim Masters for the information regarding the ending of the film. <\/p>\n<p>Be sure to check out <a href=\"http:\/\/legendsrevealed.com\/entertainment\/2009\/04\/19\/movie-legends-history\/\">my archive of Movie Legends Revealed<\/a> for more urban legends about the world of films. And click <a href=\"http:\/\/legendsrevealed.com\/entertainment\/tag\/batman\/\">here<\/a> for legends just about Batman!<\/p>\n<p>Feel free (heck, I implore you!) to write in with your suggestions for future installments! My e-mail address is &#x62;c&#x72;&#x6f;n&#x69;&#110;&#64;&#x6c;&#101;g&#x65;&#110;d&#x73;&#114;e&#x76;e&#x61;&#x6c;e&#x64;&#x2e;c&#x6f;&#109;.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Here is the latest in a series of examinations into urban legends about movies and whether they are true or false. Click here to view an archive of the Movie urban legends featured so far. MOVIE URBAN LEGEND: Vicki Vale was originally going to die at the end of the 1989 Batman. 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