{"id":8182,"date":"2016-11-01T18:37:21","date_gmt":"2016-11-01T22:37:21","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/legendsrevealed.com\/entertainment\/?p=8182"},"modified":"2016-11-01T18:37:21","modified_gmt":"2016-11-01T22:37:21","slug":"how-winston-was-marginalized-in-the-original-ghostbusters","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/legendsrevealed.com\/entertainment\/2016\/11\/01\/how-winston-was-marginalized-in-the-original-ghostbusters\/","title":{"rendered":"How Winston Was Marginalized In the Original Ghostbusters"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Here is the latest in a series of examinations into urban legends about movies and whether they are true or false. Click <a href=\"http:\/\/legendsrevealed.com\/entertainment\/2009\/04\/19\/movie-legends-revealed-history\/\">here<\/a> to view an archive of the Movie urban legends featured so far.<\/p>\n<p><u><span style=\"font-weight: bold\">MOVIE URBAN LEGEND<\/span><\/u>: Winston Zeddemore was a much different character in the original Ghostbusters script. <\/p>\n<p>When you look at the history of American films, you can see why some actors are so highly paid, as many of the most successful films each year are based on &#8220;star power.\u201d That\u2019s why so many scripts are rewritten to tailor to certain stars, because the studios know the actors often more important to the film&#8217;s success than remaining faithful to the original script.<\/p>\n<p>That\u2019s why we&#8217;ve seen <a href=\"http:\/\/legendsrevealed.com\/entertainment\/2013\/04\/10\/was-die-hard-with-a-vengeance-originally-written-as-lethal-weapon-4\/\">a script for a Brandon Lee movie rewritten into a &#8220;Lethal Weapon&#8221; movie rewritten into a &#8220;Die Hard&#8221; movie<\/a>, or the classic story of how &#8220;Beverly Hills Cop&#8221; <a href=\"http:\/\/legendsrevealed.com\/entertainment\/2013\/02\/13\/was-beverly-hills-cop-really-originally-written-for-sylvester-stallone\/\">was a vehicle for Sylvester Stallone before it was retooled for Eddie Murphy<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>When it came to 1984\u2019s &#8220;Ghostbusters,&#8221; the importance of certain characters increased and decreased in based on which actor was going to play the roles. That\u2019s how Winston Zeddemore&#8217;s role changed dramatically until it ended up being one that has (pardon the pun) haunted Ernie Hudson for years.<\/p>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" src=\"http:\/\/legendsrevealed.com\/entertainment\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/11\/winston-375x250.jpg\" alt=\"GHOSTBUSTERS II, Ernie Hudson, 1989, (c) Columbia\/courtesy Everett Collection\" width=\"375\" height=\"250\" class=\"size-medium wp-image-8536\" srcset=\"https:\/\/legendsrevealed.com\/entertainment\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/11\/winston-375x250.jpg 375w, https:\/\/legendsrevealed.com\/entertainment\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/11\/winston-768x512.jpg 768w, https:\/\/legendsrevealed.com\/entertainment\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/11\/winston-515x343.jpg 515w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 375px) 100vw, 375px\" \/> <iframe style=\"width:120px;height:240px;\" marginwidth=\"0\" marginheight=\"0\" scrolling=\"no\" frameborder=\"0\" src=\"\/\/ws-na.amazon-adsystem.com\/widgets\/q?ServiceVersion=20070822&#038;OneJS=1&#038;Operation=GetAdHtml&#038;MarketPlace=US&#038;source=ac&#038;ref=qf_sp_asin_til&#038;ad_type=product_link&#038;tracking_id=legenrevea-20&#038;marketplace=amazon&#038;region=US&#038;placement=B000E33W1W&#038;asins=B000E33W1W&#038;linkId=XXGD5TEVKENS5IBH&#038;show_border=true&#038;link_opens_in_new_window=true\"><\/iframe><\/p>\n<p><!--more--><\/p>\n<p>When Dan Aykroyd first wrote the script for &#8220;Ghostbusters,&#8221; it was practically a different film, <a href=\"http:\/\/legendsrevealed.com\/entertainment\/2015\/08\/04\/did-the-ghostbusters-originally-travel-through-time-and-other-dimensions\/\">involving the &#8220;Ghost Smashers&#8221; traveling through time and other dimensions<\/a>. There were only two roles that were written with specific actors in mind (Aykroyd would also later develop the Louis Tully role specifically for John Candy, but I do not believe that Tully was even in the original draft): he role of Ray for himself and Peter for his friend and longtime collaborator John Belushi.<\/p>\n<p>Belushi&#8217;s death in 1982 from a drug overdose was a huge blow to Aykroyd personally, but also to the development of &#8220;Ghostbusters.&#8221; &#8220;I&#8217;d been working on it, on and off, for a couple of years &#8212; always with the idea of having John involved,\u201d he recalled. \u201cI was, in fact, writing one of his lines when I heard that he had died. It was a terrible blow, but eventually I came to realize that the picture really served any three guys.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>After Ivan Reitman became involved in the project, he brought in Harold Ramis to work on the script with Aykroyd. One of the big deals was to tone down the scope of Aykroyd&#8217;s original screenplay, which would have cost upwards of $200 million in 1984 dollars (they eventually produced the film for roughly $30 million, and <em>that<\/em> was considered exorbitant at the time by Columbia Pictures). One of the characters who became better developed at this time was Winston Zeddemore, who was originally written as the security guy for the group; now, however, he was a member of the team. In the early drafts by Ramis and Aykroyd, Winston\u2019s role was a good one. For a time, he was perhaps the most qualified to be an actual Ghostbuster. Check out some of his qualifications:<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>Served in the military for five years<\/li>\n<li>Air Force Police Captain assigned to administer perimeter security at Reese Strategic Air Command base<\/li>\n<li>Designed electronic barrier systems for Sentry Alarms<\/li>\n<li>Ended up as V.P. Tactics and Training at Pacific Headquarters until the offices were closed down.<\/li>\n<li>15th Degree Black Belt in Wing Chun Boxing<\/li>\n<li>A qualified award-winning weapons handler<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>In addition, originally it was Winston who was slimed by Slimer in the famous hotel scene early in the film.<\/p>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" src=\"http:\/\/legendsrevealed.com\/entertainment\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/11\/winston-murray-slimed-515x290.jpg\" alt=\"winston-murray-slimed\" width=\"515\" height=\"290\" class=\"alignnone size-large wp-image-8535\" srcset=\"https:\/\/legendsrevealed.com\/entertainment\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/11\/winston-murray-slimed-515x290.jpg 515w, https:\/\/legendsrevealed.com\/entertainment\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/11\/winston-murray-slimed-375x211.jpg 375w, https:\/\/legendsrevealed.com\/entertainment\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/11\/winston-murray-slimed-768x432.jpg 768w, https:\/\/legendsrevealed.com\/entertainment\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/11\/winston-murray-slimed.jpg 1200w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 515px) 100vw, 515px\" \/><\/p>\n<p>However, their intentions with the character changed with the level of fame of the actor they had in mind for the role. \u201cAt one point, we were talking with Gregory Hines about playing the part,\u201d Associate Producer Michael Gross recalled. \u201cWe also considered getting a young, black comedian &#8212; somebody like Eddie Murphy. But, in retrospect, it&#8217;s probably just as well we didn&#8217;t.\u201d Ivan Reitman claims they never considered Murphy (who had just starred with Aykroyd in \u201cTrading Places\u201d). It\u2019s difficult to believe they never even thought about on one of the era\u2019s hottest young comedic actors for the role, particularly one who had just worked with Aykroyd!<\/p>\n<p>However, I can believe they never actually made an official offer to him. Murphy ended up doing \u201cBeverly Hills Cop\u201d during the time that \u201cGhostbusters\u201d was filmed (\u201cBeverly Hills Cop\u201d actually beat &#8220;Ghostbusters&#8221; at the 1984 box office), but it\u2019s possible his agents just made it clear he wasn\u2019t available for \u201cGhostbusters\u201d rather than officially rejecting the role. In either event, once they moved past getting Hines or someone \u201clike Eddie Murphy,\u201d they decided to significantly reduce the role, and signed the lesser-known Ernie Hudson. In addition, now that they didn\u2019t cast a big name for Winston, they ended up giving a lot of Winston&#8217;s lines and scenes to the big star they <em>did<\/em>: Bill Murray. So Peter Venkman&#8217;s part grew while Winston Zeddemore&#8217;s shrank.<\/p>\n<p>The painful part is that Hudson had read the earlier version of the script, so he knew what he was missing out on. He told EW:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>The night before filming begins, however, I get this new script and it was shocking.<\/p>\n<p>The character was gone. Instead of coming in at the very beginning of the movie, like page 8, the character came in on page 68 after the Ghostbusters were established. His elaborate background was all gone, replaced by me walking in and saying, \u201cIf there\u2019s a steady paycheck in it, I\u2019ll believe anything you say.\u201d So that was pretty devastating.<\/p>\n<p>I\u2019m panicked. I don\u2019t sleep that night. It was like my worst nightmare is happening. The next morning, I rush to the set and plead my case. And Ivan basically says, \u201cThe studio felt that they had Bill Murray, so they wanted to give him more stuff to do.\u201d I go, \u201cOkay, I understand that, but can I even be there when they\u2019re established?\u201d And of course, he said no, there\u2019s nothing to do about it. It was kind of awkward, and it became sort of the elephant in the room.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Hudson has always had that &#8220;What If&#8230;?&#8221; in his career, as to how things might\u2019ve been different had he played the original, more leading man version of Winston.<\/p>\n<p>So Winston&#8217;s role was rewritten and significantly reduced, with Winston not joining the group until after they were well established. Even with that, the shooting script still had a lot of his qualifications come up in his interview for the job. All of those were cut, however, when the scene was shortened and all that was left was the Ghostbusters&#8217; receptionist Janine asking, &#8220;Do you believe in UFOs, astral projection, mental telepathy, ESP, clairvoyance, spirit photography, telekinetic movement, full trans-mediums, the Loch Ness monster and the theory of Atlantis?&#8221; Winston replies, &#8220;If there&#8217;s a steady paycheck in it, I&#8217;ll believe anything you say.&#8221; Air Force Captain to &#8220;anything for a paycheck.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>Winston infamously didn&#8217;t even appear on the movie poster for the film! <\/p>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" src=\"http:\/\/legendsrevealed.com\/entertainment\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/11\/ghostbustersposter-515x650.jpg\" alt=\"ghostbustersposter\" width=\"515\" height=\"650\" class=\"alignnone size-large wp-image-8537\" srcset=\"https:\/\/legendsrevealed.com\/entertainment\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/11\/ghostbustersposter-515x650.jpg 515w, https:\/\/legendsrevealed.com\/entertainment\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/11\/ghostbustersposter-375x474.jpg 375w, https:\/\/legendsrevealed.com\/entertainment\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/11\/ghostbustersposter-768x970.jpg 768w, https:\/\/legendsrevealed.com\/entertainment\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/11\/ghostbustersposter.jpg 1708w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 515px) 100vw, 515px\" \/><\/p>\n<p>Adding more insult to injury, Hudson <a href=\"http:\/\/legendsrevealed.com\/entertainment\/2013\/03\/06\/did-ernie-hudson-lose-out-on-role\/\">wasn&#8217;t even allowed to voice Winston in the &#8220;Real Ghostbusters&#8221; cartoon series<\/a>! Hudson is obviously grateful for how much people remember him for Winston more than 30 years later, but you can only imagine how the \u201cWhat If&#8230;?\u201d must get to him.<\/p>\n<p>The legend is&#8230;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"text-decoration: underline;\"><span style=\"font-weight: bold;\">STATUS<\/span><\/span>: True<\/p>\n<p>Be sure to check out <a href=\"http:\/\/legendsrevealed.com\/entertainment\/2009\/04\/19\/movie-legends-history\/\">my archive of Movie Legends Revealed<\/a> for more urban legends about the world of films.<\/p>\n<p>Feel free (heck, I implore you!) to write in with your suggestions for future installments! My e-mail address is &#x62;&#x63;&#x72;&#x6f;&#x6e;&#x69;&#x6e;&#x40;&#x6c;&#x65;&#x67;&#x65;&#x6e;&#x64;&#x73;&#x72;&#x65;&#x76;&#x65;&#x61;&#x6c;&#x65;&#100;&#46;&#99;&#111;&#109;.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>How was Winston&#8217;s role dramatically reduced in the original Ghostbusters?<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_monsterinsights_skip_tracking":false,"_monsterinsights_sitenote_active":false,"_monsterinsights_sitenote_note":"","_monsterinsights_sitenote_category":0,"jetpack_post_was_ever_published":false,"jetpack_publicize_message":"","jetpack_is_tweetstorm":false,"jetpack_publicize_feature_enabled":true,"jetpack_social_options":[]},"categories":[11],"tags":[659,992,2106,989,2107,2105,2283],"jetpack_publicize_connections":[],"jetpack_featured_media_url":"","jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"jetpack_shortlink":"https:\/\/wp.me\/p7MjBq-27Y","jetpack-related-posts":[{"id":6116,"url":"https:\/\/legendsrevealed.com\/entertainment\/2015\/08\/04\/did-the-ghostbusters-originally-travel-through-time-and-other-dimensions\/","url_meta":{"origin":8182,"position":0},"title":"Did the Ghostbusters Originally Travel Through Time and Other Dimensions?","date":"August 4, 2015","format":false,"excerpt":"Here is the latest in a series of examinations into urban legends about movies and whether they are true or false. 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